Most people hate the rich until they themselves become rich, what happens then? Would they still hate the rich or do a 180 and pretend they've never hated the rich in the first place?
There's an erroneous assumption in your question that it's common for poor people to become rich. It really, really, really isn't common.
The American dream is long dead.
If you're poor, rich people and corporations will pay you as little as possible, and you will give the vast majority of your money back to rich people.
How much of their income do you think poor people spend in the kind of places where there's a discussion over price?
The landlord, the supermarket, the utilities, they're not for negotiation.
You have this erroneous idea that poor people have the same degree of agency and discretion over their spending and that there is some sort of power balance between rich and poor.
There isn't.
Agency and discretion over price is for people who don't have to spend the money they have (and who aren't already buying things at the absolutely cheapest possible price).
The power lies with the rich people and the corporations. Not the poor people.
I've yet to meet a single person who "hates the rich" outside of the internet. It's a loud minority - not most people.
Also, it's a quite vague term that means different things to different people. I even consider myself somewhat rich because more money wouldn't change how I live my daily life.
What happens then depends on how rich. Under $100 million, they can hang on to some humanity. $500 million and up, they lose all empathy and become complete monsters.
I really want to attach a !remindme on this to both track inflation and point out how much of a slippery slope it becomes when adding an arbitrary gradation to the matter
Thatâs the thing. When we canât have something, we start telling ourselves a story about how we donât even want it and how the people who do have it are bad. And then we believe that story. Doesnât get much more human than that.
Depends where you're getting that valuation from. I wouldn't call farmers rich even if they could technically sell everything they own and live comfortably for the rest of their lives.
But the point is that a billionaire is a whole different animal. You can be rich by every metric and still be as far from being a billionaire as a poor person is from being rich.
The way I see it, once you can live off passive income, youâre rich. I could live comfortably for the rest of my life just on the interest from a million euros. Make it three million and Iâd live like royalty.
I swear when people hear eat they rich they think about their grandparents with all their equity locked in their home with maybe a few million dollars in the grandparents retirement account. But that's not at all who people are talking about. They are talking about the people who even if they stopped working would be unable to spend all their money.
As soon as you come into serious money, no matter how exactly, your empathy for fellow human beings goes out the window FAST. There are people who can withstand this and not succumb to it, but they're exceedingly rare.
This has been scientifically tested and proven time and again. Mo' money = less empathy.
Money and power, yes. Everyone thinks they would be different, but as you said, we've studied this for a long time and when people come into money and power, they suddenly don't think the rules apply to them.
Generally most people don't hate rich people simply because they're rich, and they don't even really hate all rich people. They hate very rich people that are vocal about how they think they deserve everything they have because they worked for it when they actually benefited from generational wealth, or they hate the head of the company that has shitty working conditions and busts unions, or they hate the rich person that funnels their money into politics to fuck over every day citizens.
Exactly. Although it is easy for me to generalize when I see such shitty behavior from rich people so often. I even have relatives who have 14 cars, give nothing to charity, and bitch about paying taxes. They disgust me.
Y'know, Sometimes the same behavior can exist within the poor people too. I have a cousin whose always do what rich people does, despite he's bragging about how corrupted rich people's are. He always buy lots of expensive gaming equipment whenever he can (basically when he get enough money, from the jobs which he's often complain), but never use his money properly for goods (he also a smokers btw). And just like rich people, he have lots of arguments to justify his lavish lifestyle to became "cool gamer" (he's not a content creator, and also unemployed). His family sometimes complaining about his way of life that's not very productive, but again . . . He always have cope mechanism for such good criticism.
Idk if he's still a poor or a rich person now, but what I see is something in the middle, worse than rich people themselves
You somehow think my issue with rich people is they spend money. You just described someone who is an idiot with money, which has nothing to do with the point.
My bad mate, It just that my cousin is such a dumbass that even if someone (like you) telling about the issues, he's tackle down with repetitive explanation of "they're/you're just paid" (like all people, doesn't matter if they're rich or poor, are paid to maintain injustice). I really hate his opinion really . . . I know what your point means, is that it constantly make me remember that apathetic loser; Complaining other people's complain (it mean everything to him, either critics or opinion)
If I say something against the rich im talking obscenely rich. Im talking to the level where if they spent their lives trying to spend the money they have they would be hard pressed to do so. I assume most people if they won the lottery or some such who did not have means previously would likely spend time trying to do something good with their sudden wealth if they are decent. Many would likely get into drugs and gambling though (one of the few ways to really spend through obscene levels of wealth).
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I think the people who hate the rich and the people who get actually rich usually aren't the same people đ
Just my take/perspective
"But I'm not really rich/not like them"
"We're comfortable đ"
Does that mean you still believe in the American dream?
What if you get rich in Poland? Do you have to believe in the American dream?
Ya got me there, chief.
what if you already hate yourself and then become rich?
Then you can buy a company or two and get everyone else to hate you too!
It's the other rich that are the problem!
Everyoneâs definition of rich is âhas more money than meâ
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There's an erroneous assumption in your question that it's common for poor people to become rich. It really, really, really isn't common.
The American dream is long dead.
If you're poor, rich people and corporations will pay you as little as possible, and you will give the vast majority of your money back to rich people.
I'll tell you who gets rich. It's rich people.
If you're rich, richer people and corporations will pay you as little as possible.
If you're rich, poorer people and corporations will pay you as little as possible.
If you're poor, poorer people and corporations will pay you as little as possible.
It's just a universal thing, negotiation is always important.
How much of their income do you think poor people spend in the kind of places where there's a discussion over price?
The landlord, the supermarket, the utilities, they're not for negotiation.
You have this erroneous idea that poor people have the same degree of agency and discretion over their spending and that there is some sort of power balance between rich and poor.
There isn't.
Agency and discretion over price is for people who don't have to spend the money they have (and who aren't already buying things at the absolutely cheapest possible price).
The power lies with the rich people and the corporations. Not the poor people.
I've yet to meet a single person who "hates the rich" outside of the internet. It's a loud minority - not most people.
Also, it's a quite vague term that means different things to different people. I even consider myself somewhat rich because more money wouldn't change how I live my daily life.
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What happens then depends on how rich. Under $100 million, they can hang on to some humanity. $500 million and up, they lose all empathy and become complete monsters.
Hypocrisy is irrelevant. Everyone is a hypocrite.
I really want to attach a !remindme on this to both track inflation and point out how much of a slippery slope it becomes when adding an arbitrary gradation to the matter
Jokes on you, I hate peasants and I always have. Itâll make sense when I make my first million
You can't hate the very thing you aspire to become, only pretend to do so
Thatâs the thing. When we canât have something, we start telling ourselves a story about how we donât even want it and how the people who do have it are bad. And then we believe that story. Doesnât get much more human than that.
I would love to have a billion dollars. But that doesn't mean I couldnever become a billionaire in a moral way in reality.
You can be 997 millions short from being a billionaire and you'd still be rich though.
Depends where you're getting that valuation from. I wouldn't call farmers rich even if they could technically sell everything they own and live comfortably for the rest of their lives.
But the point is that a billionaire is a whole different animal. You can be rich by every metric and still be as far from being a billionaire as a poor person is from being rich.
The way I see it, once you can live off passive income, youâre rich. I could live comfortably for the rest of my life just on the interest from a million euros. Make it three million and Iâd live like royalty.
Dont mistake the people who post online with "most people."
People with proper morals dont become despicably rich. They use their wealth to help people before it amasses that much.
I swear when people hear eat they rich they think about their grandparents with all their equity locked in their home with maybe a few million dollars in the grandparents retirement account. But that's not at all who people are talking about. They are talking about the people who even if they stopped working would be unable to spend all their money.
This â people don't become billionaires by being successful, they become billionaires by screwing people out of as much money as possible.
As soon as you come into serious money, no matter how exactly, your empathy for fellow human beings goes out the window FAST. There are people who can withstand this and not succumb to it, but they're exceedingly rare.
This has been scientifically tested and proven time and again. Mo' money = less empathy.
Money and power, yes. Everyone thinks they would be different, but as you said, we've studied this for a long time and when people come into money and power, they suddenly don't think the rules apply to them.
Generally most people don't hate rich people simply because they're rich, and they don't even really hate all rich people. They hate very rich people that are vocal about how they think they deserve everything they have because they worked for it when they actually benefited from generational wealth, or they hate the head of the company that has shitty working conditions and busts unions, or they hate the rich person that funnels their money into politics to fuck over every day citizens.
Exactly. Although it is easy for me to generalize when I see such shitty behavior from rich people so often. I even have relatives who have 14 cars, give nothing to charity, and bitch about paying taxes. They disgust me.
Y'know, Sometimes the same behavior can exist within the poor people too. I have a cousin whose always do what rich people does, despite he's bragging about how corrupted rich people's are. He always buy lots of expensive gaming equipment whenever he can (basically when he get enough money, from the jobs which he's often complain), but never use his money properly for goods (he also a smokers btw). And just like rich people, he have lots of arguments to justify his lavish lifestyle to became "cool gamer" (he's not a content creator, and also unemployed). His family sometimes complaining about his way of life that's not very productive, but again . . . He always have cope mechanism for such good criticism.
Idk if he's still a poor or a rich person now, but what I see is something in the middle, worse than rich people themselves
Whoosh.
You somehow think my issue with rich people is they spend money. You just described someone who is an idiot with money, which has nothing to do with the point.
My bad mate, It just that my cousin is such a dumbass that even if someone (like you) telling about the issues, he's tackle down with repetitive explanation of "they're/you're just paid" (like all people, doesn't matter if they're rich or poor, are paid to maintain injustice). I really hate his opinion really . . . I know what your point means, is that it constantly make me remember that apathetic loser; Complaining other people's complain (it mean everything to him, either critics or opinion)
Again, sorry for getting out of contextđ
If I say something against the rich im talking obscenely rich. Im talking to the level where if they spent their lives trying to spend the money they have they would be hard pressed to do so. I assume most people if they won the lottery or some such who did not have means previously would likely spend time trying to do something good with their sudden wealth if they are decent. Many would likely get into drugs and gambling though (one of the few ways to really spend through obscene levels of wealth).